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Yes rules are rules 10 76.92%
No play it out and suffer the consequences 3 23.08%
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Old 09-08-2017, 02:31 PM   #1
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Protesting a Player

Just wondering what some peoples opinion are on this player protest from last weekend.

This tournament is the last tournament in a super series where a portion of each team's entry fees are withheld and a winner of the series is declared based off the total points over 4 events $3k to the winner. There is also a tournament winner with $4k for first place

There is a rule in place that says you can not play on more than 2 separate teams rosters throughout the series, to try to keep the rosters on the teams consistent throughout the series and to stop teams from grabbing players from another team in order to increase their chances of winning the points race to the detriment of another team. Another example of this would be the NHL trade deadline. The penguins need to win to clinch 1st they can’t add Connor McDavid to their team because he is on the Oilers roster and it would be unfair to the team they are fighting for that position with to add him. They have to play with their rostered players or they could face disqualification for having unrostered players. In this tournament as soon as you play on a 2nd team you are now past the “trade deadline” and they are locked to that roster.

While this tournament has a champion for that weekend! The entire summer teams have been playing in all of the events trying to win the series championship. The team in question couldn’t have won the series championship but by making it that far had also eliminated some other teams chances of winning it and had they won they could have also ruined the Protesting teams chances to win the series championship. The outcome of this game could have affected the Protesting teams final standings (something the team had committed to and worked for months to accomplish) The outcome of this particular game could have resulted in about a $5000 swing in prize money.

Does one player make a difference, arguably not but in this game he batted 1.000 and had played with the protesting team previously so he knew the players tendencies and could relay those on the field, so I would argue that he did. This player was also aware before the tournament started that he was breaking the rules by playing on 3 separate teams throughout the series but still chose to play. It’s also my understanding that the organizer knew this player was ineligible before the tournament had started.

Would you protest this?
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Old 09-08-2017, 03:08 PM   #2
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Originally Posted by Codster View Post
Just wondering what some peoples opinion are on this player protest from last weekend.

This tournament is the last tournament in a super series where a portion of each team's entry fees are withheld and a winner of the series is declared based off the total points over 4 events $3k to the winner. There is also a tournament winner with $4k for first place

There is a rule in place that says you can not play on more than 2 separate teams rosters throughout the series, to try to keep the rosters on the teams consistent throughout the series and to stop teams from grabbing players from another team in order to increase their chances of winning the points race to the detriment of another team. Another example of this would be the NHL trade deadline. The penguins need to win to clinch 1st they can’t add Connor McDavid to their team because he is on the Oilers roster and it would be unfair to the team they are fighting for that position with to add him. They have to play with their rostered players or they could face disqualification for having unrostered players. In this tournament as soon as you play on a 2nd team you are now past the “trade deadline” and they are locked to that roster.

While this tournament has a champion for that weekend! The entire summer teams have been playing in all of the events trying to win the series championship. The team in question couldn’t have won the series championship but by making it that far had also eliminated some other teams chances of winning it and had they won they could have also ruined the Protesting teams chances to win the series championship. The outcome of this game could have affected the Protesting teams final standings (something the team had committed to and worked for months to accomplish) The outcome of this particular game could have resulted in about a $5000 swing in prize money.

Does one player make a difference, arguably not but in this game he batted 1.000 and had played with the protesting team previously so he knew the players tendencies and could relay those on the field, so I would argue that he did. This player was also aware before the tournament started that he was breaking the rules by playing on 3 separate teams throughout the series but still chose to play. It’s also my understanding that the organizer knew this player was ineligible before the tournament had started.

Would you protest this?
No. If the organizer knew he shouldn't be on the third team I would have little faith you would win your protest. I also assume the protest will cost you money which you would be out and you wouldn't receive any prize money even if you did win the protest.
Either politely and privately express your disappointment to the organizer that this player was allowed on a third team despite the series rules, don't support the tourneys anymore, or accept the result and move on.
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Old 09-08-2017, 03:21 PM   #3
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Protesting costs money?

You should absolutely protest. There is no downside to it, other than cheaters complaining. The potential upside
1. You win the appeal and win $5k
2. You make an effort in making the world a better place, by enforcing established rules
3. The league organizer has to deal with it, and now knows that people won't put up with shady business
4. Maybe next time the team smartens up

We live in a world where calling people out on breaking the rules always makes you the bad guy. It's BS.

It's frustrating when the game is meaningless. When it's potentially worth $5000, and the player and manager are complicit, obviously protest.
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Old 09-08-2017, 03:31 PM   #4
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Protesting costs money?
sure does. you get your money back if you win your protest, but it's to avoid guys just whining about every little thing and at the end of the game coming to the organizers and seeing if one sticks.

See page 2 for the NSA Worlds $175 charge.
http://nsacanada.ca/tournaments/2016...es_English.pdf

SPO Provies is $150 charge
http://slopitch.org/content/provinci...urnament-rules

See page 61 for SPN $150 charge
http://spn2.ifathom.ca/sites/default...book_WEB_1.pdf
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Old 09-08-2017, 03:46 PM   #5
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Protest cost $300 in this case.
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Old 09-08-2017, 04:25 PM   #6
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I would politely ask the organizer this:

"Since you are already aware that the player in question was ineligible prior to the start of this event. Why am I handing you $300 to protest when you will just hand it right back to me"

I'd protest it, just to be a pain in the ass to the organizer. Cause them more of a headache than anything else and maybe next year they will follow their own rules!
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