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Old 07-29-2015, 08:59 AM   #1
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What's the call? "WORLDS EDITION"

As i do every summer i do a whats the call series however with NSA Worlds starting this Friday i thought i would do some NSA Worlds rules that some may not know or remember (could be the same ruling in the other associations too.) Anything to help save some arguements with umpires. So whats the call?..............

1. Runners on first and 2nd, lefty batter hits a ball down the line and realizing he has no chance to get out of the way the runner still in contact with the base just turns and takes the ball in the back while the ball is over fair territory. Ball goes to the fenceline and runner hobbles to 2nd, batter gets to first and runner on 2nd goes to 3rd then tries for home. 1st baseman picks up the ball and they get him out at home as the catcher had the ball on the plate before he crossed the line (IN non open division) is the call correct? Call is INCORRECT. Different than SPN and SPO the ball is actually dead as soon as it hits the runner as long as he is in contact with the base and the ball was in or over fair territory. All runners get 1 base if forced to do so. To as soon as it hit him time is called and bases are now loaded.

2. Team has 12 players on their roster and decides to bat 10 and also bat the 2 EP's so batting 12. Their 11th batter in the order dives for a fly ball and hurts his shoulder and needs to be taken out of the game. The coach walks up to the umpire immediatly and asks if that means the 11th spot in the lineup is now an automatic out? What is the correct umpire reply? Now same situation where a team only starts with 10 players and has no bench players and the fielder needs to leave the game. Same call? if using the EP if you do not have a substitute for them they will be an out every time they come up in the order. If you are batting only 10 and you either don't have a sub or you have already used them all then if you fall below 10 players the game is over and you forfeit.

3. Runners on 1st and 3rd and batter hits a ground ball to 2nd base. Trying to turn 2 he quickly flips to the ss covering the bag however the runner at 1st slides about 6 feet from 2nd base and clips the SS's foot and causes him to go off balance and not make the double play at 1st. Umpy calls the sliding runner out for interference and also calls the batter out who was running to 1st. Correct Call? Incorrect call. The runner who slid at 2nd base and the runner who was at 3rd is also called out.

4. Batter comes to plate for his first game FRiday morning and gets into the box and takes his stance with a perfectly legal DC41 however the umpire notices that it doesn't have a current worlds test sticker on it. The batter states of course the bat is legal and he was told that there was a lineup at testing and to come back after his first game. Umpires Call should be? I am going to get further clarification as to the rule for this year but the rule is that you must have you bats tested before your first game. Sticker not on the bat when you get into the box you are to be tossed. I will get clarification this evening and update if they are going to give a grace period this year.

5. Runner on 2nd and batter gets a hit to CF. runner rounds 3rd to go home and runner decides to go to 2nd on the throw. Ball comes to 2nd baseman who is standing about 10 feet off 2nd in a direct line between 1st and 2nd. The runner going to second had hit 1st and taken a wide turn and was about 10 feet off the baseline on his way to 2nd. 2nd baseman standing on baseline takes a swipetag at the runner as the runner takes a step towards the outfield to avoid the tag and the fielder misses him then yells he is off the baseline so he quickly throws home to try to get the runner there. Umpy calls everyone safe. Correct call? This one has to be explained on field to a coach every tournament. The baseline isn;t the path directly between the 2 bases. It is the path that the runner took in getting to the base. If the runner rounded first 10 feet off the direct line and is taking a half moon shape path to 2nd then that is his basepath and is allowed to be withing 3 feet of that path. So runners would be safe. And just an FYI IMO the swipe tag betwene bases is the hardest call for an umpire to make when the fielder says he got him but the umpy sees no clothing move and runner shows no sign or hint he was touched. We hate that play
I will stop at 5. Have fun
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Old 07-29-2015, 09:55 AM   #2
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awesome post! Gonna take some time and think about these. Got a copy printed for a local ump who absolutely LOVES this kinda chatter (you won't catch him sitting at the computer though! haha)
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Old 07-29-2015, 10:26 AM   #3
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Alright Joey I will give it my best shot.

1.dead ball as soon as the ball hits the baserunner, but because he was still on first he is not out, all runners advance 1 base. Runner who tried to score goes back to 3rd.

2.part1-Auto out unless they have a substitution to put into the batting order
part2- team who has the injured player forfeits the game as you must have 10 to start and 10 to finish.

3.technically the rule is the runner closest to home is called out as well as the offending player so if the runner scored before the interference then yes the runner at first would be called out, if the runner had not scored then the runner from 3 would be out not the runner at 1.

4. Last year teams had until the end of their second game to have the bats tested, do the umpire would remind the batter to get it tested immediately after the game ends.

5. Way too confusing of a scenario...I got lost in the middle of the paragraph and never got back on track.
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Old 07-29-2015, 10:30 AM   #4
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Originally Posted by thesonsofpitches View Post
Alright Joey I will give it my best shot.

1.dead ball as soon as the ball hits the baserunner, but because he was still on first he is not out, all runners advance 1 base. Runner who tried to score goes back to 3rd.

2.part1-Auto out unless they have a substitution to put into the batting order
part2- team who has the injured player forfeits the game as you must have 10 to start and 10 to finish.

3.technically the rule is the runner closest to home is called out as well as the offending player so if the runner scored before the interference then yes the runner at first would be called out, if the runner had not scored then the runner from 3 would be out not the runner at 1.

4. Last year teams had until the end of their second game to have the bats tested, do the umpire would remind the batter to get it tested immediately after the game ends.

5. Way too confusing of a scenario...I got lost in the middle of the paragraph and never got back on track.
2. part 1 auto out
part 2. auto out
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Old 07-29-2015, 10:33 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by thesonsofpitches View Post
Alright Joey I will give it my best shot.

1.dead ball as soon as the ball hits the baserunner, but because he was still on first he is not out, all runners advance 1 base. Runner who tried to score goes back to 3rd.

2.part1-Auto out unless they have a substitution to put into the batting order
part2- team who has the injured player forfeits the game as you must have 10 to start and 10 to finish.

3.technically the rule is the runner closest to home is called out as well as the offending player so if the runner scored before the interference then yes the runner at first would be called out, if the runner had not scored then the runner from 3 would be out not the runner at 1.

4. Last year teams had until the end of their second game to have the bats tested, do the umpire would remind the batter to get it tested immediately after the game ends.

5. Way too confusing of a scenario...I got lost in the middle of the paragraph and never got back on track.
LINE UPS Maximum 10 players on the field and ALL players must be of 18 years of age. You will be allowed to
bat up to a maximum of 12 batters. If a team starts with the use of an EP, that team must finish the game with
an EP. If the EP or any other player is injured or removed from the game with no substitute to replace them, that
spot in the batting order will be an out.
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Old 07-29-2015, 10:49 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by BaseBallJunkie View Post
LINE UPS Maximum 10 players on the field and ALL players must be of 18 years of age. You will be allowed to
bat up to a maximum of 12 batters. If a team starts with the use of an EP, that team must finish the game with
an EP. If the EP or any other player is injured or removed from the game with no substitute to replace them, that
spot in the batting order will be an out.
Correct, so part 1 is auto out, part 2 is game over...
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At the world Series you must finish the game with no less than 10 players. Game over! It happened last year a team started with 10 and the right fielder broke his arm running into the outfield fence, game was called a forfeit due to the team not having 10 players.
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Originally Posted by TMAC68 View Post
Correct, so part 1 is auto out, part 2 is game over...
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EXCEPTIONuring non-post season play only,a team may start or finish a game with nine (9) players.In the case where a team starts a game with nine (9) players,the vacant tenth spot in the batting lineupshall be declared an out for the entire game. If a team starts with nine (9) players,they must finish withnine (9) players and any players that arrive after the game begins,may only play as a substitute. If ateam starts with ten (10) players and a player is removed from the game for any reason,that team maycontinue to play with nine (9) players,with the vacated spot in the batting order being declared an out.Under no circumstances may a team play with less than nine (9) players.
depends on "post season" or "non post season"
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sec 1 rule 4 states that in non post season play if a team starts with 10 they may play with 9 with an auto out.
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Originally Posted by BaseBallJunkie View Post
EXCEPTIONuring non-post season play only,a team may start or finish a game with nine (9) players.In the case where a team starts a game with nine (9) players,the vacant tenth spot in the batting lineupshall be declared an out for the entire game. If a team starts with nine (9) players,they must finish withnine (9) players and any players that arrive after the game begins,may only play as a substitute. If ateam starts with ten (10) players and a player is removed from the game for any reason,that team maycontinue to play with nine (9) players,with the vacated spot in the batting order being declared an out.Under no circumstances may a team play with less than nine (9) players.
depends on "post season" or "non post season"
This is the WORLD SERIES and they consider it post season play I believe. the rule you just quoted is for NON post season play only.
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correct post seaon play is after round robin (Elimination round)
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