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Old 08-12-2019, 10:28 PM   #1
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Strange sequence of events - What's the call?

Runners on first and third, one out. Batter hits fly ball, runner on third stays on the bag, runner on first leaves heads towards second base. Ball is caught, runner on 3 goes home, runner between first and second doesn't tag up. Ball is thrown to 2b who tags the runner for the third out. Defensive team then appeals to first for leaving early and throws to first. Does the run count?

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Old 08-13-2019, 12:14 AM   #2
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I don't think the appeal really matters as the runner was already out on the tag. It's a timing play and not a force out either way, so if the run crossed before the tag it counts, otherwise it doesn't.

That's one reason you should still run fairly hard home even if your teammates are telling you easy - another one of your teammates might be doing something stupid and nullifying your run.
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Old 08-13-2019, 10:09 AM   #3
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Run wouldn't count based on the appeal...
If it was strictly an out based on the tag, then it would depend if runner crossed scoring line before tag was made.
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Old 08-13-2019, 10:57 AM   #4
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Originally Posted by bobber_1077 View Post
Run wouldn't count based on the appeal...
The run would count as it is a timing play and the appeal was after the run scored. The umpire cannot call the out himself without an appeal, thus any run/s that score prior to the appeal would count as this is not a force out.
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Old 08-13-2019, 11:04 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by JP21 View Post
The run would count as it is a timing play and the appeal was after the run scored. The umpire cannot call the out himself without an appeal, thus any run/s that score prior to the appeal would count as this is not a force out.
What if the runner was trying to go back to tag up but was thrown out, is that still not a force play?
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Old 08-13-2019, 12:21 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by ray_mich View Post
is that still not a force play?
NO, once the batted fly ball is caught for an out the "force" is removed.
I think people get confused and think its a "force out" as the runner is technically forced back to the bag to tag up.

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A force play is when a runner is forced to advance because the batter became a runner. When the batter is out on a caught fly, all forces are removed.
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