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Old 06-05-2012, 01:35 PM   #1
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Swinging a cracked bat

I read a lot on here and other forums condemning people for swinging altered/shaved bats, but then those same people talk about their cracked bats "dropping bombs", "spitting fire", etc, etc. (see video of beer-league hero hitting bombs from 2nd base)
I have never swung a shaved bat so I have no point of reference but my understanding of the premise is to thin the walls so that there is more "trampoline effect". A crack in the barrel of the bat compromises the structural integrity of the bat also allowing it to flex more.
So while one person knowingly seeks out someone to physically alter their bat, the other alters it through use beyond its serviceable life.
In my opinion if you knowingly "turn the crack to the back and swing away", you are swinging an altered bat.
Am I alone in this? And should you be subjected to the same penalties as someone swinging an "altered" bat?
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Old 06-05-2012, 01:47 PM   #2
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Originally Posted by rabbit_ears View Post
I read a lot on here and other forums condemning people for swinging altered/shaved bats, but then those same people talk about their cracked bats "dropping bombs", "spitting fire", etc, etc. (see video of beer-league hero hitting bombs from 2nd base)
I have never swung a shaved bat so I have no point of reference but my understanding of the premise is to thin the walls so that there is more "trampoline effect". A crack in the barrel of the bat compromises the structural integrity of the bat also allowing it to flex more.
So while one person knowingly seeks out someone to physically alter their bat, the other alters it through use beyond its serviceable life.
In my opinion if you knowingly "turn the crack to the back and swing away", you are swinging an altered bat.
Am I alone in this? And should you be subjected to the same penalties as someone swinging an "altered" bat?

Ump's discretion IMO

If Ump doesn't toss the bat then I would think it is GTG
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Old 06-05-2012, 01:50 PM   #3
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It is the same as knowing that a Freak 98 is a painted ultra imo. Just cuz the ump doesn't toss it doent mean it is gtg....especially if you know it is not....

Too many times I have seen guys get up in a rec tourney with an NSA or a USSSA bat in an spn/asa tourney and say " well the ump let us use it" then the fight started
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Old 06-05-2012, 01:59 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by RedSoxFan13 View Post
It is the same as knowing that a Freak 98 is a painted ultra imo. Just cuz the ump doesn't toss it doent mean it is gtg....especially if you know it is not....

Too many times I have seen guys get up in a rec tourney with an NSA or a USSSA bat in an spn/asa tourney and say " well the ump let us use it" then the fight started
We are talking about a hairline crack aren't we...Not a utrip or NSA bat in an ASA league.

Two different things IMO
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Old 06-05-2012, 02:30 PM   #5
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Any cracked bat I've ever swung (not on purpose, but broke while I was hitting BP or swinging in league), it always goes in the bag, not because I consider it altered, but because I found the performance of the bat is gone and it becomes useless. I have never swung a bat that was cracked and thought it was hotter then before it broke, just doesn't make sense IMO. While I agree with the poster saying it's the UMPs decision, any person in their right mind wouldn't swing a broken bat when it mattered. If I suspect a cracked/broken bat in any of my league games, I always ask the guy if it is cracked. If he says yes, I would tell him to put it away, and if he didn't, when he steps in the box with the bat, call time and bring it up to the Umpire, any decent umpire would toss the bat right away.
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Old 06-05-2012, 02:42 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by rabbit_ears View Post
I read a lot on here and other forums condemning people for swinging altered/shaved bats, but then those same people talk about their cracked bats "dropping bombs", "spitting fire", etc, etc. (see video of beer-league hero hitting bombs from 2nd base)
I have never swung a shaved bat so I have no point of reference but my understanding of the premise is to thin the walls so that there is more "trampoline effect". A crack in the barrel of the bat compromises the structural integrity of the bat also allowing it to flex more.
So while one person knowingly seeks out someone to physically alter their bat, the other alters it through use beyond its serviceable life.
In my opinion if you knowingly "turn the crack to the back and swing away", you are swinging an altered bat.
Am I alone in this? And should you be subjected to the same penalties as someone swinging an "altered" bat?
I wouldn't think this would be classed as altered unless it was deemed as occuring from doing something fishy. My thought is that this would be treated as an alluminum bat with a dent. umpire wouldn't approve it from play at the start of the game or remove it from play when it was discovered.
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Old 06-05-2012, 02:49 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by jfrancais View Post
I wouldn't think this would be classed as altered unless it was deemed as occuring from doing something fishy. My thought is that this would be treated as an alluminum bat with a dent. umpire wouldn't approve it from play at the start of the game or remove it from play when it was discovered.
X2. It's not altered.
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Originally Posted by tbatti View Post
X2. It's not altered.
That's what I was saying.
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Old 06-05-2012, 05:21 PM   #9
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I'm guilty of this, and I know it should be conisdered illegal, it lasts a few more swings, but I know better. I agree 100% should be considered altered. And I am 100% in the wrong for swinging them , but I'm still learning.
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Old 06-05-2012, 05:58 PM   #10
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its a cracked bat, put it away, its "BROKE"

granted its not "altered" but its not allowed!!

what else needs to be said???
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I was not saying that it is the same but if you know and still use it then you are knowingly breaking the rules...that is the same
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